| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 26.08.2007 17:05:19 | geyser | it's a good literary effort, but it's not the kind of english that makes people all over the world undersand each other |
| 26.08.2007 17:05:48 | tkstka_ | well there was rumors back then about some project that bungie was doing that might be oni |
| 26.08.2007 17:05:55 | tkstka_ | after haloo 3 |
| 26.08.2007 17:06:00 | tkstka_ | or something |
| 26.08.2007 17:06:04 | geyser | tkstka: well, on the ASFO2 thread there's been some talk about "unclear" elements of Oni's plot and how they could be explained |
| 26.08.2007 17:06:05 | tkstka_ | if I remember right |
| 26.08.2007 17:06:42 | tkstka_ | The one thing that makes me angry is that young guy at the dead image |
| 26.08.2007 17:06:43 | geyser | Oni 2 after Halo 3 would kick ass; I just hope Bungie are aware of that |
| 26.08.2007 17:06:46 | tkstka_ | in the begining |
| 26.08.2007 17:06:51 | tkstka_ | isn't in the game |
| 26.08.2007 17:06:55 | tkstka_ | it was drawed |
| 26.08.2007 17:06:57 | tkstka_ | in the game |
| 26.08.2007 17:07:04 | tkstka_ | but it wasn't actually anywhere |
| 26.08.2007 17:07:09 | geyser | we added him to the game, actually :) |
| 26.08.2007 17:07:11 | tkstka_ | only in the start demo |
| 26.08.2007 17:07:18 | geyser | start demo? |
| 26.08.2007 17:07:23 | geyser | training? |
| 26.08.2007 17:07:25 | tkstka_ | and the first half of the game |
| 26.08.2007 17:07:31 | tkstka_ | well the video |
| 26.08.2007 17:07:36 | tkstka_ | where is that odd music |
| 26.08.2007 17:07:38 | geyser | errrrrrrr |
| 26.08.2007 17:07:44 | tkstka_ | and it's like anime |
| 26.08.2007 17:07:49 | geyser | ah |
| 26.08.2007 17:07:57 | tkstka_ | there is this guy shouting |
| 26.08.2007 17:07:57 | geyser | yeah, that might be him |
| 26.08.2007 17:08:13 | tkstka_ | and the same guy is, when you die |
| 26.08.2007 17:08:16 | tkstka_ | and you get |
| 26.08.2007 17:08:23 | tkstka_ | the mission failed |
| 26.08.2007 17:08:24 | tkstka_ | image |
| 26.08.2007 17:08:32 | tkstka_ | it's there with broken arm |
| 26.08.2007 17:08:44 | tkstka_ | and bandage in his head |
| 26.08.2007 17:08:52 | geyser | anyway, here he is: http://geyser.oni2.net/pics/screenshots/hoops2.jpg |
| 26.08.2007 17:09:11 | paradox-01 | cheater ^^ |
| 26.08.2007 17:09:37 | tkstka_ | is that the guy |
| 26.08.2007 17:09:43 | tkstka_ | in real model |
| 26.08.2007 17:09:47 | tkstka_ | they made a model |
| 26.08.2007 17:09:49 | tkstka_ | and skins |
| 26.08.2007 17:09:56 | tkstka_ | but didn't but him on the game |
| 26.08.2007 17:09:58 | tkstka_ | ... |
| 26.08.2007 17:10:05 | tkstka_ | this makes me mad |
| 26.08.2007 17:10:11 | tkstka_ | they even made a multiplayer |
| 26.08.2007 17:10:17 | tkstka_ | and didn't release it |
| 26.08.2007 17:10:20 | tkstka_ | :C |
| 26.08.2007 17:10:49 | geyser | http://geyser.oni2.net/ONK/casey/Take2.jpg |
| 26.08.2007 17:10:56 | geyser | http://geyser.oni2.net/ONK/casey/Take3.jpg |
| 26.08.2007 17:11:37 | geyser | just me fooling around with Oni's binaries :) |
| 26.08.2007 17:12:01 | geyser | getting mad doesn't bring you anything |
| 26.08.2007 17:12:05 | geyser | take it easy |
| 26.08.2007 17:12:08 | tkstka_ | :C |
| 26.08.2007 17:12:34 | tkstka_ | and why not even give some tools |
| 26.08.2007 17:12:40 | geyser | because |
| 26.08.2007 17:12:40 | tkstka_ | for the fans |
| 26.08.2007 17:12:45 | tkstka_ | after 6 years |
| 26.08.2007 17:12:50 | tkstka_ | almost 7 |
| 26.08.2007 17:13:02 | tkstka_ | so it would be easier |
| 26.08.2007 17:13:03 | geyser | those who made the game no longer own it |
| 26.08.2007 17:13:15 | geyser | so they can't decide to release their tools |
| 26.08.2007 17:13:33 | geyser | unless they buy Oni back, which they haven't done |
| 26.08.2007 17:13:48 | tkstka_ | well they have the money |
| 26.08.2007 17:13:52 | tkstka_ | I mean Halo |
| 26.08.2007 17:14:01 | geyser | yes |
| 26.08.2007 17:14:20 | tkstka_ | we should just post requests |
| 26.08.2007 17:14:35 | tkstka_ | I mean they could make Oni 2 |
| 26.08.2007 17:14:37 | geyser | i haven't had a look at the official bungie forums |
| 26.08.2007 17:14:47 | geyser | maybe there's that kin of talk there, too |
| 26.08.2007 17:15:14 | tkstka_ | you know the address? |
| 26.08.2007 17:15:24 | geyser | of what? |
| 26.08.2007 17:15:26 | geyser | the forums? |
| 26.08.2007 17:15:44 | tkstka_ | or is it the oni.bungie.org |
| 26.08.2007 17:15:56 | tkstka_ | the same stuff we are using= |
| 26.08.2007 17:15:57 | tkstka_ | ? |
| 26.08.2007 17:16:04 | geyser | no, bungie.org is unofficial |
| 26.08.2007 17:16:14 | geyser | it's bungie.net you need |
| 26.08.2007 17:17:18 | paradox-01 | thy might have the money , but will they have a story ? ^^ |
| 26.08.2007 17:17:49 | geyser | that's where we come in, don't we? ;) |
| 26.08.2007 17:18:10 | geyser | (actually, Bungie usually make their own :) ) |
| 26.08.2007 17:18:23 | geyser | (and in the case of Oni I'm not sure they planned a sequel) |
| 26.08.2007 17:18:26 | paradox-01 | i wonder what happen if they do oni2 without the community |
| 26.08.2007 17:18:40 | geyser | (or if they'll manage to make a sequel that's up to our expectations) |
| 26.08.2007 17:19:22 | geyser | i see waht you mean; maybe they need a hint or two :) |
| 26.08.2007 17:19:33 | geyser | anyway, about that 100% different thing... |
| 26.08.2007 17:20:14 | geyser | the point is Hasegawa really didn't want to implant the chrysalis to anyone but himself and his children |
| 26.08.2007 17:20:41 | paradox-01 | what said kerr again |
| 26.08.2007 17:21:01 | geyser | "never planned to implant those chrysalises"? |
| 26.08.2007 17:21:23 | paradox-01 | yes. so also not into muro and mai (?) |
| 26.08.2007 17:21:58 | geyser | kerr's impressions are kerr's own |
| 26.08.2007 17:22:45 | geyser | part 1 of the plan was to develop the chrysalis under the syndicate's nose |
| 26.08.2007 17:23:46 | geyser | that way you get this powerful techno-criminal network onto the supersoldier hook |
| 26.08.2007 17:24:43 | geyser | they kidnap you and think they're using you, but actually you're rebuilding them from within |
| 26.08.2007 17:24:46 | geyser | you're redefining them |
| 26.08.2007 17:25:44 | geyser | so Hasegawa's plan was, in short, to use the Syndicate |
| 26.08.2007 17:26:27 | paradox-01 | but it's strange then: hasegawa took over syndicate, and kerr was left .. in tctf research prision .. why not getting him and mai out |
| 26.08.2007 17:26:42 | tkstka_ | Mai had a odd family relations |
| 26.08.2007 17:26:51 | paradox-01 | xD |
| 26.08.2007 17:26:54 | tkstka_ | real sibling love |
| 26.08.2007 17:26:56 | tkstka_ | ;D |
| 26.08.2007 17:27:06 | tkstka_ | just kills |
| 26.08.2007 17:27:08 | tkstka_ | ;D |
| 26.08.2007 17:27:19 | geyser | greek heroes |
| 26.08.2007 17:27:25 | geyser | tragedy |
| 26.08.2007 17:28:07 | geyser | paradox: he was gald to leave kerr and mai out of the way |
| 26.08.2007 17:28:39 | geyser | they were safer on the WCG side |
| 26.08.2007 17:29:16 | geyser | he sacrificed Muro, but didn't want/need to corrupt Mai as well |
| 26.08.2007 17:29:53 | paradox-01 | and she killed him, nice .. |
| 26.08.2007 17:30:19 | geyser | that's the most ironic part, yeah |
| 26.08.2007 17:31:34 | geyser | paradox: is this 100% different background new to you? |
| 26.08.2007 17:31:57 | paradox-01 | no ^^ |
| 26.08.2007 17:32:25 | geyser | then you know about the role of the ninja as well ;) |
| 26.08.2007 17:33:27 | geyser | and about the real goal of sturmanderung |
| 26.08.2007 17:33:47 | paradox-01 | not until now, but I lost the overview i did't read the total ASFO2 | no, what does it do |
| 26.08.2007 17:33:54 | geyser | (of course, just a possibility) |
| 26.08.2007 17:34:01 | tkstka_ | :o |
| 26.08.2007 17:34:04 | tkstka_ | well |
| 26.08.2007 17:34:51 | paradox-01 | monster post incoming ... |
| 26.08.2007 17:35:12 | paradox-01 | ^^ yea that's geyser |
| 26.08.2007 17:35:28 | geyser | hasegawa uses the technological resources and freedom of maneuver of the syndicate to fix the ACCs :) |
| 26.08.2007 17:36:45 | paradox-01 | o_O not really .. mai did then ... omg |
| 26.08.2007 17:36:58 | geyser | the modifications of the ACCs were dramatic enhancements instead of reversals |
| 26.08.2007 17:37:46 | geyser | designed by You Know Who and blindly implemented on-site by Muro and Co |
| 26.08.2007 17:38:13 | geyser | no one at the syndicate (or WCG) would have known the truth until the pulse is sent |
| 26.08.2007 17:38:58 | geyser | as a bonus, the Syndicate would find itself without a purpose after such a turn of events |
| 26.08.2007 17:39:14 | geyser | they though they were global bio-terrorists, and what happens? :) |
| 26.08.2007 17:39:54 | geyser | they thought they were global bio-terrorists, and what happens? they save the world instead |
| 26.08.2007 17:40:27 | paradox-01 | ..what now.. mai is the terrorist |
| 26.08.2007 17:41:40 | geyser | (first, the ninja: they were used to monitor the syndicate and mindcontrol/eliminate those who came to close to the truth) |
| 26.08.2007 17:41:43 | geyser | (first, the ninja: they were used to monitor the syndicate and mindcontrol/eliminate those who came too close to the truth) |
| 26.08.2007 17:42:40 | geyser | that's a rather nice strategy: turn an organized crime network into a bunch of maniacs under the leadership of your son, then use the power of those madmen to achieve the impossible |
| 26.08.2007 17:44:06 | geyser | fanatics move mountains |
| 26.08.2007 17:44:30 | geyser | and mai... she sppoiled everything, yeah :) |
| 26.08.2007 17:45:56 | geyser | (of course, this possibility doesn't really matter as long as all the potential witnesses are dead :) ) |
| 26.08.2007 17:46:00 | paradox-01 | in the META-theory mai is the enemy for all again ... whatever happen, she is fucked up .. |
| 26.08.2007 17:46:35 | geyser | a Daodan is, by default, the enemy of the human race |
| 26.08.2007 17:47:15 | geyser | not a human being except for a few "friends" |
| 26.08.2007 17:47:45 | geyser | for the others, either a weapon or a nuisance or whatever |
| 26.08.2007 17:48:01 | geyser | or a living experiment |
| 26.08.2007 17:48:18 | paradox-01 | what's wrong with going on in evolution =) .. but well, oni's world is out of controll |
| 26.08.2007 17:48:34 | geyser | hyperevolution is disturbing :) |
| 26.08.2007 17:49:19 | geyser | it means being eaten alive :) |
| 26.08.2007 17:49:26 | geyser | by yourself :) |
| 26.08.2007 17:49:57 | paradox-01 | .. ^^ your ghost change the body, how is this thought |
| 26.08.2007 17:50:13 | geyser | explain? |
| 26.08.2007 17:50:54 | paradox-01 | in other words: you get a new body .. |
| 26.08.2007 17:51:40 | geyser | but isn't that disturbing? even for a GITS fan? :) |
| 26.08.2007 17:52:13 | geyser | and how can you be so sure that your new body doesn't redefine your ghost? |
| 26.08.2007 17:52:49 | geyser | and if that is the case, how can you be sure you're not losing yourself? |
| 26.08.2007 17:53:45 | paradox-01 | who said i'm gits-fan (but yes i'm). but aswering: i believe in self-control, the ninjustsu, the shoalin, .. |
| 26.08.2007 17:54:12 | paradox-01 | the mastered thier body |
| 26.08.2007 17:54:27 | paradox-01 | ~they |
| 26.08.2007 17:55:25 | geyser | they performed a synchronous evolution of their mind and body at the scale of a lifetime |
| 26.08.2007 17:55:52 | geyser | the daodan is a similar upgrade, but sped up dramatically |
| 26.08.2007 17:56:45 | geyser | in a ninjutsu's personality evolves, a daodan's will "hyperevolve" |
| 26.08.2007 17:57:39 | paradox-01 | but then again, when the body get stronger why not also the ghost. ... if this is missing, it should be next upgrade , daodan v2.0 ^^ |
| 26.08.2007 17:57:53 | geyser | *synchronous* |
| 26.08.2007 17:58:05 | geyser | nothing keeps the ghost from evolving |
| 26.08.2007 17:58:16 | geyser | whatever the ghost is, there is no limit |
| 26.08.2007 17:58:29 | geyser | except in Barabas's case, maybe :) |
| 26.08.2007 17:59:12 | geyser | martial arts masters are already monsters of sorts: they can achieve more than an ordinary human, physically, and they no longer think in ordinary human ways, either |
| 26.08.2007 17:59:45 | paradox-01 | beeing fair: daodan folk should stay cool to be more syncron and learn how their new body works.. |
| 26.08.2007 17:59:58 | geyser | so if a daodan is an extrapolation of that, it's some kind of monster, definitely |
| 26.08.2007 18:02:15 | paradox-01 | i think the daodan just makes it easier getting corrupt, but hope can be everwhere :) |
| 26.08.2007 18:03:16 | geyser | being a daodan is something i wouldn't trivialize; for that reason, I'd like to avoid the GITS effect (where everybody is wired); i'd have only 2 or three daodans and focus on how they relate to the rest of mankind |
| 26.08.2007 18:04:07 | geyser | @ your sentence: I spawned something similar on ASFO2 :) |
| 26.08.2007 18:04:23 | geyser | the catchphrase behind the Daodan and all of Oni (2) |
| 26.08.2007 18:04:40 | geyser | it was "our strength lies in our imperfections" |
| 26.08.2007 18:05:12 | geyser | imperfectionnism :) |
| 26.08.2007 18:05:52 | geyser | mai is not perfect; she will be when an if she completes her transformation, but that doesn't have to hapen |
| 26.08.2007 18:06:12 | geyser | no goal |
| 26.08.2007 18:06:18 | geyser | no end |
| 26.08.2007 18:06:38 | geyser | that's also the idea of imperfection; incompleteness |
| 26.08.2007 18:07:54 | paradox-01 | the daodan adapts to one situation but tomorrow is an other situation .. imperfection again, hm |
| 26.08.2007 18:08:25 | geyser | "morgen ist auch ein tag" :D |
| 26.08.2007 18:08:46 | geyser | endless quest |
| 26.08.2007 18:08:57 | paradox-01 | right |
| 26.08.2007 18:09:01 | tkstka_ | GITS \o/ |
| 26.08.2007 18:09:03 | paradox-01 | and more ... |
| 26.08.2007 18:09:15 | tkstka_ | BEST ANIME SERIE AFTER INTIAL D |
| 26.08.2007 18:09:48 | paradox-01 | when you 've 3 people with daodan , so no community. Mai could with to be part of the human society. but how ? :) |
| 26.08.2007 18:09:49 | geyser | tstka & everybody: have you seen Ergo Proxy? |
| 26.08.2007 18:10:00 | paradox-01 | no, soory |
| 26.08.2007 18:10:01 | Last_Hero | I keep hearing about that |
| 26.08.2007 18:10:10 | geyser | it's really good |
| 26.08.2007 18:10:13 | geyser | especially for Oni fans |
| 26.08.2007 18:10:19 | Last_Hero | just finidhed FMA |
| 26.08.2007 18:10:23 | Last_Hero | finished* |
| 26.08.2007 18:10:49 | Last_Hero | I'll take a peek after I watch the last DvD of Robotech |
| 26.08.2007 18:11:04 | geyser | the part i like best is "Meditatio XVI" |
| 26.08.2007 18:11:30 | geyser | it's about Shinatama and Mai and (Mutant) Muro stranded in the middle of nowhere |
| 26.08.2007 18:11:50 | geyser | and about the "nothing" that happens to them |
| 26.08.2007 18:12:42 | paradox-01 | i can't follow, where can i find "Meditatio XVI" |
| 26.08.2007 18:13:01 | geyser | Ergo Proxy, episode 16 |
| 26.08.2007 18:13:04 | geyser | Veoh |
| 26.08.2007 18:13:24 | paradox-01 | i hope it's on youtoub |
| 26.08.2007 18:13:32 | geyser | no, only on veoh |
| 26.08.2007 18:13:37 | geyser | got deleted from YT |
| 26.08.2007 18:14:19 | geyser | well, it's still on YT, but only spanish-subbed |
| 26.08.2007 18:14:39 | geyser | could be good spanish practice, BTW |
| 26.08.2007 18:15:40 | geyser | "meditatio XVI: busy doing nothing" |
| 26.08.2007 18:16:33 | paradox-01 | "could be good spanish practice, BTW" - you speak spanish? |
| 26.08.2007 18:16:38 | geyser | no |
| 26.08.2007 18:16:52 | geyser | been to spain once, know a few phrases |
| 26.08.2007 18:18:46 | geyser | will give a link to mVI |
| 26.08.2007 18:19:34 | paradox-01 | Will there be an ASFO2 overview on Oni Galore, someday? |
| 26.08.2007 18:20:19 | geyser | not an overview of "the whole thing", I think: because there is no "whole" |
| 26.08.2007 18:20:30 | geyser | ASFO2 is exhaustive rather than consistent |
| 26.08.2007 18:21:02 | geyser | so I think parts of ASFO2 should fit as "added value" entries, no more |
| 26.08.2007 18:21:18 | geyser | actually I've already summarized some of those Ideas |
| 26.08.2007 18:21:21 | geyser | ideas |
| 26.08.2007 18:21:29 | geyser | Shinatama, Barabas, Daodan |
| 26.08.2007 18:21:48 | paradox-01 | ok |
| 26.08.2007 18:22:28 | geyser | there's also the index |
| 26.08.2007 18:22:40 | geyser | http://www.veoh.com/videos/v819325FKRzsSKm?searchId=991419104885713306&rank=2 |
| 26.08.2007 18:23:09 | paradox-01 | ASFO2 has an index ? |
| 26.08.2007 18:23:18 | geyser | no |
| 26.08.2007 18:23:25 | geyser | you can search for anything |
| 26.08.2007 18:23:53 | geyser | but there's no index. yet. |
| 26.08.2007 18:24:14 | tkstka_ | who is Daodan |
| 26.08.2007 18:24:15 | tkstka_ | ? |
| 26.08.2007 18:24:19 | geyser | http://wiki.oni2.net/index.php/Oni2:Storyline |
| 26.08.2007 18:24:19 | tkstka_ | don't remember |
| 26.08.2007 18:24:40 | geyser | that's where i tried to create an index of ASFO2. didn't go far |
| 26.08.2007 18:24:58 | geyser | Daodan = Chrysalis |
| 26.08.2007 18:25:10 | geyser | http://wiki.oni2.net/index.php/Daodan |
| 26.08.2007 18:25:43 | geyser | there's also this: http://wiki.oni2.net/index.php/Daodan_DLL |
| 26.08.2007 18:44:34 | geyser | erm |
| 26.08.2007 18:44:49 | geyser | the subs for the one i linked to are... bad |
| 26.08.2007 18:45:10 | geyser | i like Pino-no-Usagi better |
| 26.08.2007 18:57:13 | geyser | here it is: http://www.veoh.com/videos/v51876987MQKBd3?searchId=1204372330590513071&rank=0 |