| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 26.08.2007 15:03:46 | geyser | BTW, it's "too little sleep, too much beer" :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:05:13 | geyser | not sure about Oni not being set in 2032, I quite liked that year :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:05:31 | geyser | I'd rather push the WCG's rise to power to earlier years |
| 26.08.2007 15:05:55 | paradox-01 | i liked it too, but the reasons are .. a lot |
| 26.08.2007 15:06:04 | geyser | like? |
| 26.08.2007 15:06:25 | geyser | (apart from the manual, which is irrelevant) |
| 26.08.2007 15:06:55 | paradox-01 | i just made my own thought, please wait a moment |
| 26.08.2007 15:07:25 | geyser | i'm impatient by nature :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:08:04 | geyser | you should cross-link that wiki page to the forum thread |
| 26.08.2007 15:08:34 | paradox-01 | this should it be - my old page http://www.webspace-invasion.com/jackd/Ikimas.htm#Problem | what forum thread ? |
| 26.08.2007 15:08:55 | geyser | ok, not thread but post: http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2429#p2429 |
| 26.08.2007 15:09:04 | geyser | about the biok and stuff |
| 26.08.2007 15:09:16 | geyser | oh, and that page, too, of course |
| 26.08.2007 15:09:26 | geyser | I still haven't found the time to read it all :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:09:54 | geyser | the other page, wherever it is |
| 26.08.2007 15:09:56 | paradox-01 | oh, you already followed the link from wiki, good .. |
| 26.08.2007 15:10:04 | geyser | what link from wiki? |
| 26.08.2007 15:10:14 | geyser | you had linked to your story before AFAIR |
| 26.08.2007 15:10:50 | paradox-01 | don't know .. uhm (my head..) |
| 26.08.2007 15:11:11 | paradox-01 | the old page is huge |
| 26.08.2007 15:11:53 | paradox-01 | ok, here all stuff i thought about over the last years .. .. http://www.webspace-invasion.com/jackd/substance.htm |
| 26.08.2007 15:11:55 | geyser | i see no link on the wiki page, apart from the link on wikipedia |
| 26.08.2007 15:12:07 | geyser | you should insert those links in the wiki page |
| 26.08.2007 15:12:28 | paradox-01 | yea later, tomorrow .. |
| 26.08.2007 15:12:31 | geyser | omg |
| 26.08.2007 15:12:45 | tkstka has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:12:49 | geyser | "The Syndicate has been very busy" :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:13:05 | geyser | impressive |
| 26.08.2007 15:13:11 | tkstka has left the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:13:25 | geyser | how long have you been doing this? |
| 26.08.2007 15:13:40 | paradox-01 | i don't wanted to make it public before i tought about something more that give us more crossing points |
| 26.08.2007 15:14:22 | geyser | if you're the only one who finds crossing points, it's not fair :P |
| 26.08.2007 15:14:46 | paradox-01 | my dream started right after finishing oni (2002), but i failed with a good concept, then 2004 i "restart", work in progress until NOW |
| 26.08.2007 15:14:55 | geyser | you really should have told me, or guido, about the scale of your research |
| 26.08.2007 15:16:04 | paradox-01 | it thought it's not fair because it's all german, i wanted to make it lighter .. on Oni Galore |
| 26.08.2007 15:16:26 | paradox-01 | .. in english .. well i started , right |
| 26.08.2007 15:16:34 | geyser | it would have been fair to guido and to myself to at least let *us* know |
| 26.08.2007 15:16:57 | tkstka has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:17:20 | paradox-01 | .. but hey, many links are still gray |
| 26.08.2007 15:17:38 | paradox-01 | ^^ |
| 26.08.2007 15:17:58 | geyser | you've been doing the same thing in private as what I've been doing publicly in ASFO2... not sure what to think of it... it feels weird |
| 26.08.2007 15:18:34 | geyser | discovering such a huge amount of data all at once, rather than watch it grow (interactively)... |
| 26.08.2007 15:18:44 | tkstka_ has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:19:15 | tkstka has left the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:19:41 | paradox-01 | i wanted to create something own but still fitting with your ASFO2 |
| 26.08.2007 15:19:52 | tkstka_ has left the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:20:13 | geyser | i can see that... |
| 26.08.2007 15:21:04 | paradox-01 | making crossing points is newer story .. |
| 26.08.2007 15:21:34 | geyser | but why not have told me? so that I don't "contaminate" you? :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:21:34 | geyser | BTW, making too many ideas fit together is not always a good idea |
| 26.08.2007 15:22:04 | paradox-01 | in fact : i work on this before i found the ofc | |
| 26.08.2007 15:22:26 | paradox-01 | yes, that because i call them "optional elements" |
| 26.08.2007 15:22:28 | geyser | i suppose so; that's the way it happened for 17 secs, too |
| 26.08.2007 15:22:46 | tkstka has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:22:52 | geyser | otpional elements = connections to ASFO2 etc? |
| 26.08.2007 15:23:58 | paradox-01 | yes, plus when this mix is too bad then i can take them out. for every optional element should be a own idea . |
| 26.08.2007 15:24:38 | paradox-01 | it's a literary experiment |
| 26.08.2007 15:24:58 | geyser | well, the mix is "too bad", rather easily, as long as you're not favoring pluralism from the very start |
| 26.08.2007 15:25:34 | geyser | i'd need a closer look, but if you have a very definite truth on your side (character and entity background), then alternative ways to think of the same things just don't fit in |
| 26.08.2007 15:25:58 | tkstka has left the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:27:28 | geyser | it's a very interesting experiment (guido and i love those; re: you really oughta have told us) |
| 26.08.2007 15:28:55 | geyser | and most of *absolutely* should end up on the wiki... but you/we will have to be careful there |
| 26.08.2007 15:29:07 | geyser | and most of it *absolutely* should end up on the wiki... but you/we will have to be careful there |
| 26.08.2007 15:31:19 | geyser | how much text do you have "im ganzen"? |
| 26.08.2007 15:32:05 | paradox-01 | you want numbers ? oje |
| 26.08.2007 15:32:19 | geyser | no, don't bother |
| 26.08.2007 15:32:22 | geyser | i'll just browse the thing |
| 26.08.2007 15:32:54 | geyser | a lot of "added value" in any case... |
| 26.08.2007 15:32:59 | tkstka has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:33:29 | geyser | i'll try to consider that from a pluralistic point of view, if you don't mind ;) |
| 26.08.2007 15:34:22 | geyser | "exploring possibilities", but not looking for proof for one truth or the other; not yet |
| 26.08.2007 15:34:46 | geyser | can I notify Guido of that page of yours? |
| 26.08.2007 15:35:59 | tkstka has left the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:36:32 | paradox-01 | you are perfectionist, that's because i feared giving you this links .. but when not telling you now, when then.. and for guido .. just tell him, now it's "out" |
| 26.08.2007 15:37:10 | geyser | "aus"??? really? |
| 26.08.2007 15:37:22 | geyser | :[ |
| 26.08.2007 15:37:29 | paradox-01 | no. ^^ |
| 26.08.2007 15:37:38 | paradox-01 | out = known |
| 26.08.2007 15:37:52 | geyser | ah, oki |
| 26.08.2007 15:38:29 | paradox-01 | we always have trouble, but it makes fun |
| 26.08.2007 15:38:29 | geyser | you were right to be afraid: i've already destroyed a project very similar to yours :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:38:50 | paradox-01 | i guess what you mean |
| 26.08.2007 15:39:03 | geyser | what is your guess? :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:39:50 | paradox-01 | Tracker told me from guido and you |
| 26.08.2007 15:40:22 | geyser | i don't mean tracker; if you count him in that makes 2 :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:40:53 | paradox-01 | i don't mean tracker as well, i meant guidos work |
| 26.08.2007 15:41:13 | geyser | that' not really it either |
| 26.08.2007 15:41:35 | paradox-01 | 3 projects then, and i'm #4 ^^ |
| 26.08.2007 15:41:46 | geyser | :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:42:14 | paradox-01 | geyser the destroyer, oh man ^^ |
| 26.08.2007 15:42:16 | geyser | well, I no longer try to contaminate others' projects with my convictions, at least |
| 26.08.2007 15:42:34 | geyser | problem is, I can't really impose pluralism, either |
| 26.08.2007 15:42:53 | geyser | so the only options for me are : criticize; shut up |
| 26.08.2007 15:43:03 | tkstka has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:43:05 | paradox-01 | ^^ |
| 26.08.2007 15:43:20 | paradox-01 | what about our mukade talk on ocf |
| 26.08.2007 15:43:32 | paradox-01 | i liked it very much |
| 26.08.2007 15:43:43 | geyser | i was already smart at that point |
| 26.08.2007 15:44:08 | paradox-01 | it help me working some poinds out, at least good enough for me |
| 26.08.2007 15:44:08 | geyser | as far as i'm concerned, I think we managed to keep it open ended |
| 26.08.2007 15:44:31 | geyser | while adding detail to all of the alternative tracks (including yours) |
| 26.08.2007 15:45:41 | geyser | looking at your site, I see that you're making a definite statement about Ninja and Mukade; of course I can't adhere to that :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:46:04 | tkstka has left the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:46:35 | paradox-01 | hm, i did ? this is so much, gimme the link ^^ |
| 26.08.2007 15:46:58 | geyser | erm... |
| 26.08.2007 15:47:05 | geyser | wait, maybe not |
| 26.08.2007 15:47:56 | paradox-01 | no wait gimme just a sentence to search it by "F3" |
| 26.08.2007 15:48:19 | geyser | "etwas zu konstruiert"... actually, there's little text about Mukade and it's hard to see what you "mean" :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:49:04 | geyser | "Die Diskussion wurde damit gelöst, dass Mukade innerhalb des Syndikats ein grundlegenden Wandel unterlag, welcher mit der Einpflanzung der DC ein Abschluss fand." I don't remember such a final statement to our discussion :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:49:11 | geyser | but I'm OK with it |
| 26.08.2007 15:49:33 | geyser | oooooooooooh |
| 26.08.2007 15:49:44 | geyser | now I see I got the whole sentence wrong |
| 26.08.2007 15:49:47 | geyser | nevermind |
| 26.08.2007 15:50:35 | paradox-01 | (Mental und körperlich manipuliert ist Mukade nun als Lehrer für Muro vorstellbar |
| 26.08.2007 15:51:05 | paradox-01 | this was the sum up, hm |
| 26.08.2007 15:51:07 | geyser | for overstatement, I could quote your Background |
| 26.08.2007 15:51:09 | retard has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:53:11 | tkstka has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:53:32 | paradox-01 | hm, there does the ninja(s) come^^ it was tricky - maybe my background isn't the best but first i remember in oniversum ^^ |
| 26.08.2007 15:53:46 | geyser | first? |
| 26.08.2007 15:53:56 | paradox-01 | and last, so far.. |
| 26.08.2007 15:54:11 | retard has left the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:54:16 | geyser | you haven't read all of ASFO2, have you? |
| 26.08.2007 15:55:19 | geyser | you should at least follow the few links to ASFO2 from the new forum before you sy such hurting things :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:55:20 | paradox-01 | i told you, i'm bad in english. i'm almost get elepsy here with my translater. so, please forgive my |
| 26.08.2007 15:55:58 | geyser | a basic idea is that Ninja are like Tankers, only more so |
| 26.08.2007 15:56:09 | tkstka has left the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:56:14 | paradox-01 | SLD then ? |
| 26.08.2007 15:56:28 | geyser | either SLD or robots or something completely different |
| 26.08.2007 15:56:43 | geyser | something with no equivalent on the WCG side |
| 26.08.2007 15:58:04 | geyser | cyborgs-clones-whatever, depending on your mood |
| 26.08.2007 15:58:30 | geyser | most probably heavily computerized, with no free will :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:59:17 | retard has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:59:30 | retard has left the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 15:59:46 | geyser | and as for the backround (what they are for), there's the 100% DIFFERENT hypothesis :) |
| 26.08.2007 15:59:47 | paradox-01 | why do they do moonwalk .. program error ^^ (just joking) |
| 26.08.2007 16:00:16 | geyser | same as Tankers: they were modeled after someone :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:00:30 | geyser | a left-handed guy who can moonwalk |
| 26.08.2007 16:00:44 | geyser | Guess Who ;) |
| 26.08.2007 16:00:57 | tkstka has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 16:01:35 | paradox-01 | i'm not insider for "out-side"-information, maybe a programmer like Chris Hugh |
| 26.08.2007 16:01:55 | geyser | no, i meant Mukade :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:02:37 | geyser | so in that alternative reality, the whole Ninja corps basically spawned off Mukade |
| 26.08.2007 16:02:53 | paradox-01 | you mean, the ninja are just copies from a left-handed freak |
| 26.08.2007 16:02:59 | paradox-01 | ok |
| 26.08.2007 16:03:43 | geyser | the left-handedness is not really the point; it's gamemaking stuff, after all |
| 26.08.2007 16:04:14 | paradox-01 | because of animations .. hm |
| 26.08.2007 16:04:16 | geyser | but they have "robotic" voiceovers which makes me think they're machines :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:04:36 | geyser | Terminator-style, if you wish |
| 26.08.2007 16:04:42 | geyser | all of them - except Mukade |
| 26.08.2007 16:05:12 | geyser | (who's almost a poet as we know) |
| 26.08.2007 16:06:22 | geyser | the idea, then, is that Ninja "belong" to Mukade (something between androids and clones, or maybe "something completely different", again) |
| 26.08.2007 16:06:49 | tkstka has left the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 16:07:41 | paradox-01 | mukade has also this voicecovers, hasn't he ? |
| 26.08.2007 16:07:43 | geyser | this point doesn't really say anything about who Mukade is and what he wants and how he relates to Muro |
| 26.08.2007 16:07:46 | geyser | no |
| 26.08.2007 16:08:18 | geyser | Mukade has only the laughter-taunt and "Devilstar!" |
| 26.08.2007 16:08:35 | paradox-01 | but for the eye ... there could be a connection to the SLD technology |
| 26.08.2007 16:08:51 | geyser | you mean the periscopic eyes? |
| 26.08.2007 16:09:14 | paradox-01 | you said the eyes aren't there where they should be |
| 26.08.2007 16:09:37 | geyser | i can imagine actual ninja using periscopes to peek around corners |
| 26.08.2007 16:09:48 | geyser | but permanent periscopic vision... |
| 26.08.2007 16:10:23 | paradox-01 | .. i was thinking of something additional |
| 26.08.2007 16:10:25 | geyser | it might favor better range estimation, but only for robots :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:10:35 | geyser | triangulation |
| 26.08.2007 16:11:01 | geyser | SLDs are biological (with a few implants for interfacing) |
| 26.08.2007 16:12:23 | geyser | (BTW, as the only teleporting/phasecloaking/ballthrowing NPC, Mukade obviously has an exceptional technological background, whoever he is) |
| 26.08.2007 16:12:49 | tkstka has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 16:12:57 | geyser | (so making an army of tech-clones is rather appropriate :) ) |
| 26.08.2007 16:13:35 | geyser | (again, I don't want to convince anybody; I'm just explaining my background as outlined on ASFO2) |
| 26.08.2007 16:13:49 | geyser | (just a possibility) |
| 26.08.2007 16:14:10 | geyser | As for who that genius is... |
| 26.08.2007 16:14:30 | geyser | and how Muro copes with him... |
| 26.08.2007 16:14:37 | geyser | we've been though that already |
| 26.08.2007 16:14:46 | geyser | we've been through that already |
| 26.08.2007 16:15:05 | paradox-01 | the additional, today: remember the brain patter tech - they should have a similiar patter to mukade. when he get heavy hurt, he lost his face with eyes, the nervs are still there. the syndicate connect thm to sensores.. he leart to see again. this patter of self-awarness goes also to the ninja troops ..^^ |
| 26.08.2007 16:15:44 | tkstka has left the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 16:15:56 | paradox-01 | but i don't like my new idea, your's is good |
| 26.08.2007 16:17:58 | geyser | Mukade's helmet doesn't have to be metal, unlike that of other ninja :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:18:25 | geyser | maybe he sees through it, and uses the "eyes" for something else :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:18:46 | geyser | anyway, there's that other idea |
| 26.08.2007 16:18:56 | geyser | just what the ninja corps *actually does* |
| 26.08.2007 16:19:31 | geyser | it has to do with who Mukade is, so at that point it's heavily un-pluralistic :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:20:00 | geyser | why did Muro say "I've accomplished everything our father dreamed of doing"? |
| 26.08.2007 16:20:40 | geyser | (we already said that Muro's actions, as well as Mai's, went in the direction of Hasegawa's project) |
| 26.08.2007 16:21:09 | geyser | (but how direct was the inspiration Muro seems to hint at) |
| 26.08.2007 16:21:11 | geyser | (but how direct was the inspiration Muro seems to hint at?) |
| 26.08.2007 16:22:30 | tkstka has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 16:23:22 | geyser | (of course, this is based on the assumption that Mukade is/was Hasegawa) |
| 26.08.2007 16:25:16 | geyser | (and the other key assumption was that the Chrysalis was a false track) |
| 26.08.2007 16:25:40 | geyser | (i.e., Hasegawa never intended the Chrysalis to be implanted to everybody) |
| 26.08.2007 16:26:44 | tkstka_ has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 16:27:09 | tkstka has left the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 16:27:34 | geyser | (because of the obvious ethical problems and also because of the cynical "let's not try to fix the shit, let's adapt to it instead"... which is IMO rather odd for a an altruistic scientist) |
| 26.08.2007 16:27:34 | tkstka_ | does anyone know why I can't connect to this server |
| 26.08.2007 16:27:40 | tkstka_ | when my firewall is up? |
| 26.08.2007 16:27:49 | geyser | what firewall? |
| 26.08.2007 16:27:52 | tkstka_ | my |
| 26.08.2007 16:27:55 | tkstka_ | own |
| 26.08.2007 16:27:59 | geyser | ........... |
| 26.08.2007 16:28:01 | tkstka_ | I just figured it |
| 26.08.2007 16:28:08 | tkstka_ | All other irc servers |
| 26.08.2007 16:28:09 | geyser | "make and color"? :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:28:15 | tkstka_ | I use |
| 26.08.2007 16:28:18 | tkstka_ | works fine |
| 26.08.2007 16:28:25 | tkstka_ | but my firewall blocks this one |
| 26.08.2007 16:28:26 | tkstka_ | :o |
| 26.08.2007 16:28:35 | geyser | tell us what your firewall is please ... |
| 26.08.2007 16:28:45 | tkstka_ | Sygate |
| 26.08.2007 16:28:47 | paradox-01 | maybe because of allocs bot |
| 26.08.2007 16:29:00 | geyser | MrLogman? unlikely |
| 26.08.2007 16:29:06 | tkstka_ | btw |
| 26.08.2007 16:29:27 | tkstka_ | I tried to open the OSE-0.50.exe |
| 26.08.2007 16:29:32 | geyser | Tosh seems to have the same problem |
| 26.08.2007 16:29:43 | tkstka_ | and it gave me something like |
| 26.08.2007 16:30:03 | tkstka_ | that the application was build on demo license |
| 26.08.2007 16:30:07 | tkstka_ | and it can't be used |
| 26.08.2007 16:30:12 | tkstka_ | :C |
| 26.08.2007 16:30:12 | geyser | well, that's true :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:30:27 | geyser | you're screwed :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:30:54 | tkstka_ | so how can I get that stuff work? |
| 26.08.2007 16:30:58 | tkstka_ | I'm newbie |
| 26.08.2007 16:31:00 | tkstka_ | so |
| 26.08.2007 16:31:03 | tkstka_ | please help |
| 26.08.2007 16:31:05 | tkstka_ | :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:31:25 | geyser | You can't. Tyr said he'd work around that limitation, but everything he's built so far has an expiration limit |
| 26.08.2007 16:31:44 | tkstka_ | well I haven't even used it |
| 26.08.2007 16:31:49 | Alloc | you could try to set your systems date to something earlier |
| 26.08.2007 16:31:51 | tkstka_ | and it's expired |
| 26.08.2007 16:31:52 | tkstka_ | :D |
| 26.08.2007 16:32:04 | geyser | yeah, the date would work |
| 26.08.2007 16:32:16 | Alloc | not necessarily but it could ;) |
| 26.08.2007 16:32:16 | geyser | but you don't *really* need OSE to script... |
| 26.08.2007 16:32:27 | Alloc | depends on how good their limitation is ,) |
| 26.08.2007 16:32:32 | geyser | heh |
| 26.08.2007 16:32:43 | tkstka_ | Like I said I'm newb |
| 26.08.2007 16:32:51 | tkstka_ | so It would be easier |
| 26.08.2007 16:33:06 | geyser | the current version of OSE doesn't really make it easier for newbs :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:33:12 | tkstka_ | :o |
| 26.08.2007 16:33:13 | tkstka_ | ok |
| 26.08.2007 16:33:24 | tkstka_ | I have PSpad |
| 26.08.2007 16:33:26 | geyser | (although i wouldn't really know, not being a newb myself) |
| 26.08.2007 16:33:34 | geyser | PSPad is *fine* :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:33:50 | tkstka_ | so is there a tutorial |
| 26.08.2007 16:33:51 | geyser | although I use Notepad for most scripting |
| 26.08.2007 16:33:58 | tkstka_ | and what should I start? |
| 26.08.2007 16:34:07 | geyser | no comprehensive tutorial, I'm afraid |
| 26.08.2007 16:34:08 | tkstka_ | what files should I modify |
| 26.08.2007 16:34:31 | geyser | you should start by reading the original level logic |
| 26.08.2007 16:34:53 | geyser | GameDataFolder\IGMD\whatever\whatever.bsl |
| 26.08.2007 16:35:41 | geyser | maybe have a look at ssg's "commented" logic (basically the same, but with comments on what the effect of every command is) |
| 26.08.2007 16:36:04 | geyser | (will have to look up the url; I still haven't put it up on the wiki) |
| 26.08.2007 16:36:14 | tkstka_ | I assume there is no comments in orginal files |
| 26.08.2007 16:36:20 | tkstka_ | so where can I get commented |
| 26.08.2007 16:36:22 | tkstka_ | ones |
| 26.08.2007 16:36:55 | geyser | oh, there *are* a few comments, but since they were made by Bungie for Bungie... :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:37:03 | tkstka_ | ;o |
| 26.08.2007 16:37:25 | geyser | ssg's scripts are part of nikanabo, which you can get here: |
| 26.08.2007 16:37:33 | tkstka_ | we need to get friends with some bungie workers |
| 26.08.2007 16:37:37 | tkstka_ | and they could Leak |
| 26.08.2007 16:37:37 | tkstka_ | :D |
| 26.08.2007 16:37:53 | geyser | http://svn.oni2.net/nikanabo/ |
| 26.08.2007 16:38:04 | geyser | http://svn.oni2.net/nikanabo/current/bsl/onilight/ |
| 26.08.2007 16:38:52 | geyser | erm, after a close look, ssg doesn't comment *every* command |
| 26.08.2007 16:38:59 | geyser | far from it |
| 26.08.2007 16:39:45 | tkstka_ | btw I heard there are maps |
| 26.08.2007 16:39:48 | tkstka_ | that aren't in the game |
| 26.08.2007 16:39:49 | geyser | what I recommend to start figuring things out is: script at runtime, from the dev mode console |
| 26.08.2007 16:40:12 | tkstka_ | well not playble |
| 26.08.2007 16:40:18 | tkstka_ | is this true |
| 26.08.2007 16:40:19 | tkstka_ | ? |
| 26.08.2007 16:40:22 | geyser | if you keep "btw"ing like that, I'm not sure I'll be able to help you :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:40:39 | tkstka_ | ok |
| 26.08.2007 16:40:43 | geyser | yes there are a few missing levels |
| 26.08.2007 16:41:28 | geyser | all we have are a few old screenshots, a few script folders (with minimal scripts) and the level names in level0_final.dat |
| 26.08.2007 16:41:41 | paradox-01 | a few, just give me BGI back , with story ! xD |
| 26.08.2007 16:42:06 | geyser | heh, do you want their story, or do you want to write your own? ;) |
| 26.08.2007 16:42:24 | tkstka_ | why doesn't anyone have op? |
| 26.08.2007 16:42:29 | paradox-01 | RS is sequel, so it don't matter |
| 26.08.2007 16:42:35 | geyser | i think BGI take advantage of Mukade's death to take the matters in their hands |
| 26.08.2007 16:42:38 | geyser | (more, later) |
| 26.08.2007 16:42:59 | geyser | tkstka: what is an "op"? |
| 26.08.2007 16:43:31 | Alloc has left the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 16:43:34 | Alloc has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 16:43:46 | geyser | about scripting: check out the overviews on Oni Galore and Oni Stuff, and then try entering single commands at the console |
| 26.08.2007 16:44:09 | geyser | that should get you familiar with the basics: variables and functions |
| 26.08.2007 16:44:56 | geyser | and whenever you have a specific question (or two), just ask |
| 26.08.2007 16:45:14 | geyser | that's one of the purposes of this channel (I think) |
| 26.08.2007 16:45:24 | tkstka_ | I mean operator/admins |
| 26.08.2007 16:45:35 | tkstka_ | the guys who change the topics and run the channel |
| 26.08.2007 16:45:37 | tkstka_ | :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:45:44 | geyser | Alloc is an admin, and so am I (i think) |
| 26.08.2007 16:46:10 | geyser | we don't care too much about topics atm |
| 26.08.2007 16:46:34 | tkstka_ | ok |
| 26.08.2007 16:47:19 | geyser | not sure I ever tried sygate, not with IRC at least |
| 26.08.2007 16:47:25 | Alloc has left the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 16:47:26 | Alloc has entered the channel. | |
| 26.08.2007 16:47:39 | tkstka_ | well it blocks everything.. even my chess program |
| 26.08.2007 16:47:42 | tkstka_ | :C |
| 26.08.2007 16:47:58 | geyser | zone alarm doesn't offer too much control, but it doesn't block too much, either |
| 26.08.2007 16:48:08 | tkstka_ | well this offers too much |
| 26.08.2007 16:48:12 | geyser | (maybe it doesn't block enough, but I have had no probs so far) |
| 26.08.2007 16:48:27 | geyser | erm |
| 26.08.2007 16:48:27 | tkstka_ | I have to be always changing |
| 26.08.2007 16:48:37 | tkstka_ | and stuff |
| 26.08.2007 16:48:43 | geyser | yeah, maybe |
| 26.08.2007 16:48:55 | geyser | I heard outpost was a nerd's dream/nightmare |
| 26.08.2007 16:49:07 | tkstka_ | I didn't even know there was stuff from windows that were trying to connect net |
| 26.08.2007 16:49:08 | geyser | maybe sygate is the same |
| 26.08.2007 16:49:08 | tkstka_ | .. |
| 26.08.2007 16:49:24 | tkstka_ | NT Kernel & System |
| 26.08.2007 16:49:51 | tkstka_ | Generic Process for Windows |
| 26.08.2007 16:50:01 | geyser | not sure... I just authorized those forever |
| 26.08.2007 16:50:11 | geyser | so I don't remember when I last saw them :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:50:28 | tkstka_ | NDIS User Mode 1/0 |
| 26.08.2007 16:50:32 | geyser | ................ |
| 26.08.2007 16:50:36 | geyser | ok, ok... |
| 26.08.2007 16:50:39 | tkstka_ | :D |
| 26.08.2007 16:50:46 | tkstka_ | ok I'll stop |
| 26.08.2007 16:50:48 | tkstka_ | ;D |
| 26.08.2007 16:50:53 | Alloc | hmz, weird ... this channel isn't even registered ... could be that there was a netsplit while i registered it |
| 26.08.2007 16:51:21 | tkstka_ | :o |
| 26.08.2007 16:51:35 | paradox-01 | they are behind us xD |
| 26.08.2007 16:52:58 | geyser | "just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you" |
| 26.08.2007 16:53:17 | paradox-01 | yea yea ^^ |
| 26.08.2007 16:54:16 | geyser | anyway, that 100% DIFFERENT possibility is that STURMANDERUNG was not what Mai though it to be |
| 26.08.2007 16:54:34 | geyser | and not what *Muro* thought it to be, either |
| 26.08.2007 16:54:46 | geyser | no one at the syndicate actually knew what was going on |
| 26.08.2007 16:55:01 | geyser | except for one man and a bunch of androids ;) |
| 26.08.2007 16:55:11 | geyser | and Mai killed that man |
| 26.08.2007 16:55:27 | paradox-01 | that bad I guess ^^ |
| 26.08.2007 16:55:28 | tkstka_ | wtf |
| 26.08.2007 16:55:42 | tkstka_ | muro was the badguy |
| 26.08.2007 16:55:58 | geyser | not *the* bad guy, *a* bad guy :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:56:06 | tkstka_ | :o |
| 26.08.2007 16:56:08 | tkstka_ | anyway |
| 26.08.2007 16:56:17 | tkstka_ | who was Mai |
| 26.08.2007 16:56:18 | geyser | he was "framed" into being *the* bad guy |
| 26.08.2007 16:56:29 | geyser | Konoko = Mai Hasegawa |
| 26.08.2007 16:56:33 | tkstka_ | ahh |
| 26.08.2007 16:56:40 | tkstka_ | I forgot the real name |
| 26.08.2007 16:57:02 | tkstka_ | but what were you talking about one man? |
| 26.08.2007 16:57:11 | tkstka_ | you mean Muro? |
| 26.08.2007 16:57:13 | geyser | not muro :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:57:29 | geyser | Muro didn't know what he was doing |
| 26.08.2007 16:57:37 | tkstka_ | ;o |
| 26.08.2007 16:57:58 | tkstka_ | I really don't know what you guys are talking about but that is not in the game |
| 26.08.2007 16:57:59 | geyser | (that's just one possible interpretation, of course; mine; one of mine) |
| 26.08.2007 16:58:07 | geyser | (it is; sorta) |
| 26.08.2007 16:59:02 | paradox-01 | to many in a free space ... time to port them onto Oni Galore, hm ? |
| 26.08.2007 16:59:10 | geyser | and the difficult bit is to propose such additional elements without spoiling Oni or overstating anything |
| 26.08.2007 16:59:25 | geyser | too much what? you mean the talk here? |
| 26.08.2007 16:59:32 | geyser | I didn't say everything yet :) |
| 26.08.2007 16:59:47 | tkstka_ | ? |
| 26.08.2007 16:59:56 | paradox-01 | i mean ASFO2 |
| 26.08.2007 17:00:01 | geyser | erm, yeah |
| 26.08.2007 17:00:02 | tkstka_ | ? |
| 26.08.2007 17:00:07 | tkstka_ | wtf |
| 26.08.2007 17:00:26 | geyser | I even started making a summary... then gave up and tried an index instead |
| 26.08.2007 17:00:31 | tkstka_ | give me a slice of "what's going on" |
| 26.08.2007 17:00:51 | paradox-01 | to many theories, that's all |
| 26.08.2007 17:01:00 | geyser | tstka: were you there on the old OCF? |
| 26.08.2007 17:01:13 | geyser | do you know the "A storyline for Oni 2" thread? |
| 26.08.2007 17:01:26 | Last_Hero | the ASFO2 thread is awesome, despite it's ridiculous length |
| 26.08.2007 17:01:40 | geyser | if you're a native speaker, it's recommendable reading |
| 26.08.2007 17:01:59 | paradox-01 | if ^^ |
| 26.08.2007 17:02:13 | geyser | if you're not, it's still recommendable, but... people fall asleep, is that right, paradox? |
| 26.08.2007 17:02:29 | geyser | I'm not a native English speaker |
| 26.08.2007 17:02:38 | geyser | it's only my 3rd language :) |
| 26.08.2007 17:02:53 | paradox-01 | yea just make fun of me |
| 26.08.2007 17:03:00 | Last_Hero | I thought that for non-native speakers some of the concepts might be hard to properly translate |
| 26.08.2007 17:03:05 | tkstka_ | I ya I remember it |
| 26.08.2007 17:03:33 | tkstka_ | but I actually read them all |
| 26.08.2007 17:03:40 | geyser | yeah, that's one of my mistakes when writing in english |
| 26.08.2007 17:03:42 | tkstka_ | just litle from the main page |