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09.09.2007 14:49:40 paradox has entered the channel.
09.09.2007 14:49:58 paradox hi folk
09.09.2007 14:50:21 geyser howdy
09.09.2007 14:50:38 paradox i got you email
09.09.2007 14:51:00 paradox and no, i haven't the vid anymore :(
09.09.2007 14:51:35 paradox i deleted the virtualdub folder with it
09.09.2007 14:52:06 geyser doesn't matter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBDyTBnPwDU
09.09.2007 14:52:09 geyser you're late :)
09.09.2007 14:52:30 geyser http://geyser.oni2.net/video/SK06-Fight.wmv
09.09.2007 14:52:44 geyser 10 megs
09.09.2007 14:53:36 paradox hm not bad music
09.09.2007 14:54:21 geyser Yoko Kann't Do Wrong
09.09.2007 14:54:54 geyser it fits in great with the combos and flashes
09.09.2007 14:55:53 paradox she made the music for gits, right ?
09.09.2007 14:56:09 geyser GITS:SAC
09.09.2007 14:56:12 geyser the TV series
09.09.2007 14:56:28 geyser i use a lot of that for Serious Konoko
09.09.2007 14:56:52 geyser (the podcast i mean)
09.09.2007 14:56:53 paradox yea i saw =)
09.09.2007 14:57:42 geyser not btw at all: http://geyser.oni2.net/SE2/Models/IronDemon.png
09.09.2007 14:59:20 paradox time to get serious xD
09.09.2007 14:59:29 paradox can he shoot ?
09.09.2007 14:59:45 geyser notty yetty
09.09.2007 15:00:00 geyser that's a tricky point
09.09.2007 15:00:08 geyser suppose he wants to shoot you at that range
09.09.2007 15:00:31 geyser clearly he has to point both chainguns a little towards you
09.09.2007 15:00:36 geyser convergent
09.09.2007 15:00:49 geyser and that's something none on SS2's enemies do
09.09.2007 15:00:56 geyser dual weapons
09.09.2007 15:01:12 paradox and there's no animations for him, i see
09.09.2007 15:01:35 geyser well, just like in Oni, there are a few walking anims that would work for him, probably
09.09.2007 15:01:52 geyser but it would need some tweaking, and of course a skeleton
09.09.2007 15:02:35 geyser he's weight-mapped already, but there's no skeleton yet: basically I'll set up the skeleton differently depending on whose anims i use
09.09.2007 15:02:51 geyser however, i might him into a vehicle
09.09.2007 15:02:59 geyser not a walking one :)
09.09.2007 15:03:16 geyser a racing vehicle: 2 wheels, segway-style
09.09.2007 15:03:31 geyser and a lot of ads on those white flanks :)
09.09.2007 15:04:03 paradox rolling like a tank ? don't know sedway, i going to have a look on google
09.09.2007 15:04:39 geyser segway is a gadget for lazy americans
09.09.2007 15:04:54 paradox .. looks funny ^^
09.09.2007 15:04:57 paradox http://images.google.de/images?q=segway&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
09.09.2007 15:06:03 paradox looking foreward to it
09.09.2007 15:06:12 geyser surely you've noticed this one? http://geyser.oni2.net/pics/art/metabike_cutaway.jpg
09.09.2007 15:06:23 geyser another wink to segway :)
09.09.2007 15:08:12 paradox a was very sceptical, like 'do we really need this'. but now it's all clear, Mai practice this way how to controll ID ;)
09.09.2007 15:08:24 geyser :)
09.09.2007 15:09:09 geyser reciprocality: i'm very skeptical, like "do we really need this" when it comes to some of your stuff, too :)
09.09.2007 15:09:35 geyser think of the Iron Segway as a joke :)
09.09.2007 15:09:46 geyser it's all about gameplay
09.09.2007 15:09:54 geyser same for the metabike
09.09.2007 15:10:42 geyser erm...
09.09.2007 15:10:51 geyser hm, I see how to make the demon work
09.09.2007 15:11:19 geyser the actual one i mean: SS2 has turrets, so all two/three guns should be attached turrets
09.09.2007 15:12:00 geyser i wonder if turrets can be glued to chars in Oni, hmmmm....
09.09.2007 15:12:22 geyser that would... rock
09.09.2007 15:12:51 paradox i know.. and i haven't a good feeling for rs neigher | for pc and such, gameplay is ok ..
09.09.2007 15:13:24 geyser don't think of RS in terms of gameplay
09.09.2007 15:13:29 paradox maybe you can put a turret-caingun in a syndicate van
09.09.2007 15:13:37 geyser the story and gameplay are two very different things
09.09.2007 15:14:30 geyser in SS2, it's quite possible to put a turret on a vehicle or character
09.09.2007 15:14:59 geyser i was wondering about Oni... apart from static vehicles, I don't think the ingredients are there
09.09.2007 15:15:48 geyser about RS: i still have to read the stuff completely
09.09.2007 15:16:08 geyser can't comment on Restrukturierung alone, can I?
09.09.2007 15:16:39 paradox oh, don't ask me ^^
09.09.2007 15:16:46 geyser i put a page on Singapore on the wiki
09.09.2007 15:16:57 paradox really?
09.09.2007 15:17:00 geyser + a few thinglets about Hasegawa
09.09.2007 15:17:12 geyser it's still messy though
09.09.2007 15:17:27 geyser there's this other guy, LastmanSAC
09.09.2007 15:17:39 paradox i saw only "additional stuff" but not the article
09.09.2007 15:17:41 geyser we've been talking on my talk page a bit :)
09.09.2007 15:17:55 geyser "additional stuff"? where?
09.09.2007 15:18:19 geyser coined the term for Ninja: Daodandroids :)
09.09.2007 15:18:20 paradox i will look up this, wait
09.09.2007 15:18:39 geyser http://wiki.oni2.net/index.php/Singapore
09.09.2007 15:21:06 paradox i mean, it is not http://www.bernardwerber.com/unpeuplus/ESRA/singapour.html
09.09.2007 15:24:00 paradox " English translation
09.09.2007 15:24:00 paradox Coming soon (also see below) "
09.09.2007 15:25:18 geyser there are decent translations in the archivated forum thread i linked to
09.09.2007 15:25:45 geyser whaddya mean "it is not"?
09.09.2007 15:26:29 paradox like "i cannot find the translation of this"
09.09.2007 15:26:54 geyser http://www.skyscrapercity.com/archive/index.php/t-171704.html
09.09.2007 15:26:58 geyser bottom of page
09.09.2007 15:27:38 paradox ok, found it
09.09.2007 15:27:48 geyser :)
09.09.2007 15:28:01 geyser However, a sentence is missing from the featured original (in bold below):
09.09.2007 15:28:01 geyser "Pour mieux connaître les trajets de ses concitoyens, la police a de toute façon obligé tous les Singapouriens à placer un émetteur sous leur voiture.
09.09.2007 15:28:01 geyser Il est ainsi possible de suivre les déplacements de tous les habitants sur un grand tableau lumineux."
09.09.2007 15:28:01 geyser "Moreover, the police has had all the Singaporeans place a tracker under their cars, so that people know the whereabouts of their fellow citizens better.
09.09.2007 15:28:01 geyser It is thus possible to follow the movements of all the inhabitants on a large electronic panel."
09.09.2007 15:31:12 paradox well.. and what about "Daodandroids" - isn't the daodan a biological thing
09.09.2007 15:32:12 paradox reading now the user talk
09.09.2007 15:35:01 geyser daodandroids are an extrapolation of daodan cyborgs like barabas
09.09.2007 15:35:19 geyser (IF barabas is a daodan cyborg, that is ;) )
09.09.2007 15:35:51 paradox hm
09.09.2007 15:36:46 geyser daodan-enhanced organic matter replacing some critical parts in an android
09.09.2007 15:37:07 geyser maybe not even huma
09.09.2007 15:37:09 geyser n
09.09.2007 15:38:52 geyser the absence of a real host (with memories, psychoology etc) make the ninja predictable/controllable as opposed to regular Daodans or even Barabas (or even the Iron Demon / Shere Khan)
09.09.2007 15:39:35 geyser anyway, i haven't developed them yet, like, at all
09.09.2007 15:39:50 geyser i just think "daodandroid" sounds nice :)
09.09.2007 15:40:30 geyser and that the ninja are like robots, but uncomparably better than the legal ones
09.09.2007 15:40:41 geyser "ninjabots", you know
09.09.2007 15:41:03 geyser it doesn't have to be an actual daodan, even
09.09.2007 15:41:16 geyser hyperevolution is not limited to biology
09.09.2007 15:41:33 paradox yes
09.09.2007 15:41:37 geyser the "autoevolutionary machine" is a concept of computer science, after all
09.09.2007 15:42:16 geyser if you want to make advanced robots, then you can no longer let humans design them in detail
09.09.2007 15:42:34 geyser Asimov's robots are designed by machines
09.09.2007 15:42:54 paradox it's getting to much
09.09.2007 15:42:55 geyser i.e. they are part of a construct
09.09.2007 15:42:56 geyser :)
09.09.2007 15:43:15 paradox i lost the overview again ^^
09.09.2007 15:43:26 geyser overview?
09.09.2007 15:45:25 geyser for me it makes sense that the Ninja are a homeostatic set of autoevolutionary robots, à la Asimov :)
09.09.2007 15:46:16 geyser but with strict enough Rules so that they remain under the full control of their Constructor
09.09.2007 15:47:15 paradox nevertheless, i have to think through it again
09.09.2007 15:47:16 geyser à la Asimov again; the Ninja have a rudimentary personality, and accomplish, after all, a set of basic tasks. Assassins/soldiers can't revolt
09.09.2007 15:47:38 geyser relax; this is real-time brainstorming
09.09.2007 15:47:52 geyser exhaustive not consistent
09.09.2007 15:48:03 geyser just another idea, or "false track"
09.09.2007 15:48:22 geyser about RS
09.09.2007 15:48:44 geyser the key point is how much does one have to reveal "at the end"
09.09.2007 15:49:05 geyser or end*s*
09.09.2007 15:49:32 geyser a story with several truths and several endings
09.09.2007 15:49:41 geyser that's a totally acceptable solution
09.09.2007 15:50:06 paradox and even more difficult =)
09.09.2007 15:51:37 geyser not necessarily
09.09.2007 15:51:54 paradox but i got a problem with rs (again), it was one of this days when i wake up and start thinking: damn, you overdone it, you habe to change it
09.09.2007 15:51:58 geyser gamebooks are often regarded as an under-genre
09.09.2007 15:53:08 geyser meaning it probably not all that hard to write once you get a few ideas of how the plot may evolve
09.09.2007 15:53:30 paradox erm
09.09.2007 15:56:23 paradox it is not about what the saying/meaning is, i have to much character ideas .. it might come from fun of writing .. now i'm think of make rs more "hardcore"
09.09.2007 15:58:03 paradox ok then, "reconstruction" should be enough lets concentrate on that
09.09.2007 15:59:59 paradox damn it.., see you later
09.09.2007 16:00:09 paradox has left the channel.
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